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Jul 20, 2022

In today’s episode, we get to spend time with Wayne Pacelle, one of the leading contemporary animal rights advocates in the world. He is a graduate of Yale University, founder of Animal Wellness Action, and has led efforts to pass 1,500 state laws for animals, more than 100 federal laws and amendments, 30 ballot initiatives, and 500 corporate agreements. 

If that’s not impressive enough, in his free time he wrote two books, both New York Times best-sellers, titled The Bond: Our Kinship with Animals, Our Call to Defend Them and The Humane Economy: How Innovators and Enlightened Consumers Are Transforming the Lives of Animals.

Both Alexandra and Dotsie have worked with Wayne on a variety of animal issues, from the Kangaroos are Not Shoes global campaign to the current work Switch4Good and Wayne’s organization, Animal Wellness Action, are partnering on to bring soy milk into U.S. public schools. 

In today’s episode with Wayne, we discuss exactly how and why Wayne started taking action to protect animals at a young age, why passing laws that protect animals is important, if focusing on “animal welfare” is worth it, and more. You don’t want to miss this action-packed episode!

“I would rather have millions of imperfect people being active for animals, rather than a couple thousand ‘perfect’ people working for animals. We all should be doing the best we can. But I also don’t want this [vegan movement] to be a club.” - Wayne Pacelle


What we discuss:

  • Why Wayne thinks that our social drive includes nonhuman animals 
  • How he started taking action for animals at a young age through direct action 
  • Why protecting animals through policy and law is so important and powerful 
  • Should we be focusing on “animal welfare”? 
  • Why storytelling, when it comes to individual animal lives, is so powerful 
  • The effectiveness of using animal testing for cosmetics and drugs 



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